tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25550348.post7685880119191952662..comments2023-05-31T08:20:24.853-07:00Comments on Thoughts Illustrated: "filtering on the way out"- David Weinbergerdave davisonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00877049576467644472noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25550348.post-15169385937989454742008-05-06T11:58:00.000-07:002008-05-06T11:58:00.000-07:00David, I am the author of these illustrations and ...David, I am the author of these illustrations and the correct name is Joan M. Mas, not Pas :-)J Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13769304316241827536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25550348.post-80189295271262024832007-09-11T19:04:00.000-07:002007-09-11T19:04:00.000-07:00In rethinking David's filtering comments, I realiz...In rethinking David's filtering comments, I realized that I "filtered out" (BAD) just one of his four strategic principles he recommends for gleaning meaning from the abundance of the miscellaneous. <BR/><BR/>Here are the other 3:<BR/><BR/><BR/> Put each leaf on as many branches as possible.<BR/><BR/> Everything is metadata and everything can be a label.<BR/><BR/>Give up control.<BR/><BR/>Taken in a less filtered form, and taken together as a whole, these 4 strategic principles are now more understandable to me(I think) <BR/><BR/>which leads me to David's admonition (from p 224 E=M) "Thou shalt include and postpone"...<BR/><BR/>the miscellaneous can only scale by enabling local collections to make sense to other collections"<BR/><BR/>Include everything in your miscellaneous knowledge collection and your links to everyone else's , but Postpone the urge to jump to categorizing the collection too soon - (filtering on the way in)<BR/><BR/>this accords with the Wikinomics principles of Openness, Peer Production, Sharing and Global, and with Umair Haque's vision of the role of the Reconstructor in making sense (remixing) of the result of peer production. Which leads me to realize that it's time to loop the commentary here to my next blog entry on Haque's economics of Media 2.0 <BR/><BR/><BR/>The hardest part of David's principles to envision and act upon is " give up control"dave davisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00877049576467644472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25550348.post-85872169803808982662007-09-11T07:20:00.000-07:002007-09-11T07:20:00.000-07:00thanks David - my 6 step process worked!Responding...thanks David - my 6 step process worked!<BR/><BR/>Responding to : "The idea behind “filter on the way out” is that it’s often (usually?) better to give users tools for sorting through the pile the way that suits them than to only give them a single, pre-baked categorization" <BR/><BR/>we are working now to build a demo application of ConversationBase that does exactly what you describe in this comment. <BR/><BR/>would you be interested in viewing it when we have it ready?dave davisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00877049576467644472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25550348.post-11177421808227468722007-09-11T07:07:00.000-07:002007-09-11T07:07:00.000-07:00Dave, thanks for this. Here's what I just blogged ...Dave, thanks for this. Here's what I just blogged about it:<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Dave Davison at Thoughts Illustrated gives an interesting illustration of the “filter on the way out” idea from EiM. He notices that Picasa has been silently aggregating the images in his blog. Now he can go back through it and notice relationships and trends. He gives six steps of working through the pile of images. The six step certainly seem to work for this example, but I’m not sure how generalizable it is since, in my view, the miscellaneous is a pile of raw potential for the emergence of every sort of understanding and meaning, from noticing that you’ve used lots of pictures of Michael Jackson to running statistical and semantic tools that discover deeply hidden relationships.<BR/><BR/>The idea behind “filter on the way out” is that it’s often (usually?) better to give users tools for sorting through the pile the way that suits them than to <I>only</I> give them a single, pre-baked categorization.<BR/><BR/>http://www.everythingismiscellaneous.com/2007/09/11/filtering-on-the-way-out/Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00108002099322613528noreply@blogger.com